UE Issue #5: The Melting DAGGER

[Rex]

Grimm

"I think we will only get one chance at getting them off."

[shaidar]

Eclipse

"Not unless they were in something like a van or bus. Otherwise one or possibly two at a push."

[shaidar]

Umbra

"I could carry two, a lot more if there was something I could carry them in."

[gurusql]

For the record, assuming that you had a weightless object that could hold the weight of the people, you can carry 1 person with a 10 STR, 2 with a 15, 4 with a 20 and doubling each 5 STR. Now more "reality", you have to include the weight of the object that you are carrying people in as well. Without such an object the limit is two (one in each hand) unless you have a power that helps to move this limit

Wind Dragon

"With my Wind powers I can carry 8 people at once."

[shaidar]

With a 30 STR Umbra could carry 16, if they had something to stand on. Even more for Eclipse (32 from 35 STR), assuming a metallic object to carry them in. I've edited me previous posts to reflect this.

[Rex]

Azir

I don't think Str is the issue so much as how to carry that many at once, Azir is the strongest of everyone I think.

[gurusql]

An empty limo (3200 kg) as an example needs a 35 STR to lift, if you magically filled it with 16 people (assume 100kg each for 1600kg) you only need a 38 STR to lift that. Then the conversation is a you TKing it or lifting and leaping.

[Rex]

And most importantly landing.

[shaidar]

Umbra could carry that and fly, or Eclipse could push himself for extra 3 STR?

[Rex]

Azir has a 55 Str. If we could get them into something like a limo or small bus she might be able to handle the landing if she just picked it up and jumped off the building. Her End is 56 and she has Super Leap which might help with the landing.

[shaidar]

Eclipse looks around for a bus or something else they could use to ferry the people in.

[gurusql]

Agent Freeman

"We cleared the area of local traffic, but there was a school bus parked three blocks down."

Estimate school bus weight is 14000 lbs which is about a 40 STR to lift empty. About 3000 lbs of that weight is the engine.

[Rex]

Azir

Azir will check out the bus. Can her and Eclipse get the engine out quickly to lighten it up and balance it better?

[gurusql]

Can you two remove it quickly - without question, however the bus will need a lot of TLC to be a normal bus again after the engine is blasted or broken out.

[Rex]

Azir

Wasn't thinking of it surviving, just a means to get the people to safety. But Azir and Grimm certainly don't have the coin to cover the cost of a bus.

[shaidar]

Umbra has STR 40 and Eclipse can TK at STR 35, between them they should be able to fly it up together, and down with the extra weight of the people

[Leitz]

KL has TK STR of 30, or 25 with Fine Motor Control. Are we sure three people can balance it?

From a different angle, there are four or five us the team who can jump/fly/whatever. It might be faster to just make two trips, each person carrying two people. Maybe there's a strong person who can hold on to a hero themselves, so one person carries three? Maybe the Fire Department folks have safey harnesses that would let several people strap on to Azir?

[Rex]

Azir

Azir is not really big. Strong yes, big no.

[shaidar]

Are we sure three people can balance it?

I'm suggesting we only need Eclipse and Umbra they can both move at the same speed in flight. I also don't think balancing will be an issue because Eclipse has TK str 35, which is almost enough to carry it on his own and he probably could if he pushed it. If you add in Umbra's 40 str that should easy support the weight and for balance Eclipse will be doing his TK on the whole bus (as it's mostly metal) so should be able to keep it steady. That's my thoughts, anyway, it would be useful to see what gurusql thinks. This way also strikes me as quick and simple.

[gurusql]

Umbra has a 30 STR (unless I am misreading) and Eclipse has a 35 STR to lift the bus.

The removing the engine is the only way to get the bus up there by Eclipse (even if Umbra is helping or not)