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tooleychris · #181 Post by **tooleychris** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:08 pm

Without certain feats

i woulda chimed in but figured Dave is gonna research anyway.

#182 Post by **Alethan** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:21 pm

I'm just gonna, you know, start doing stuff. And then question every response by Dave to make him research it further.

Kidding.

But this was a legit question. I thought if he was casting, then he was unarmed and couldn't AOO. Or... OA (opportunistically attack)? However you say it.

Das · #183 Post by **Das** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:18 pm

AoO (attack of opportunity)

It depends on the spell. Spells require specific things..either verbal, body motions or materials. A spell requiring verbals doesn't matter if your arms are full.

#184 Post by **dmw71** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:27 pm

Thanks for all the responses since my last post. Good stuff! And, anyone, do not hesitate to chime in at any time. Yes, I will research anything I don't know, which helps me learn the game, but it is time consuming... and I am running three daily games (which have been playing like at least six of late)... do don't hesitate (even if I will eventually check everything out myself).

tl;dr
Ty would NOT have been subject to an attack of opportunity last round.

dmw71 wrote:He does have a dagger, but it wasn't in his hand when Ty attacked.

Okay, this is important because...

Das wrote:If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.

Attacks of Opportunity > Threatened Squares
"If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity."

dmw71 wrote:I'll have to look into what action type drawing a weapon is, and if he would have been able to draw it in time. The more I think about it, the more I doubt it.

Drawing a weapon is a 'move' action (see: 'Table: Actions in Combat')

dmw71 wrote:However, entering a threatened square should produce an attack of opportunity (but it will likely need to be changed to a simple unarmed strike instead of a dagger attack).

Attacks of Opportunity > Provoking an Attack of Opportunity
"Two kinds of actions can provoke attacks of opportunity: moving out of a threatened square and performing certain actions within a threatened square."

So, it's moving out of a threatened square, not moving into one. The "performing certain actions" piece is when the 'Table: Actions in Combat' table comes into play.

dmw71 wrote:I also want to confirm that it's possible to make an attack of opportunity in the same round after already acting. I'm fairly certain you can, but just want to make sure.

Yes, you can.
Attacks of Opportunity > Threatened Squares
"You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn."

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Okay, I think we're good here. I'll have to back out that AoO against Ty last round (I will need to correct this... later... Alethan, feel free to remind me if I forget).

I kind of rushed through the above, so if anything seems off or is flat our wrong, feel free to correct.

tooleychris · #185 Post by **tooleychris** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:57 pm

Just to be crystal Shiney on this moving into combat by moving through a threatened square to engage an armed opponent DOES provoke an AoO.
example

If Ty approaches our sleepy mage by moving to square N ,he's safe.
if Ty goes through square M or N to reach H, and mage had dagger out ,he'd get AoO.
This gets even worse when dealing with large creature who threaten 10+ feet and can make closing to melee dangerous.
Check out the feats Spring Attack and Combat Reflexes. Things can get so damn messy. There's a reason i switched to BRP after so many years.

#186 Post by **dmw71** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:54 am

tooleychris wrote:Just to be crystal Shiney on this moving into combat by moving through a threatened square to engage an armed opponent DOES provoke an AoO.
example

If Ty approaches our sleepy mage by moving to square N ,he's safe.
if Ty goes through square M or N to reach H, and mage had dagger out ,he'd get AoO.

Those squares would be accurate... if Ty were to attack where the light was.

The mage you're in battle with is in square DD, with his back to the fireplace.

tooleychris · #187 Post by **tooleychris** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:38 am

Tys path to the dark side is complete.

#188 Post by **dmw71** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:03 am

Next update coming tomorrow. Probably tomorrow morning.

#189 Post by **Alethan** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:02 am

Ty snuffs out the light.

Does it have a chance of burning him back?

#190 Post by **dmw71** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:48 am

Alethan wrote:Ty snuffs out the light.

Does it have a chance of burning him back?

The light is actually out, per: Subject: 0. Prelude.

dmw71 wrote:Crouching low and keeping his left hand out in front of him, Athriel scurries forward, attempting to locate the unseen foe. Nearly reaching the crumbling wall separating the common room from the office, he flails his hands along the floor but fails to make contact. He is able to notice from his current position that the flickering light has disappeared. Petra backs a few feet and positions herself between the windows, spying on what's outside while the others search.

#191 Post by **dmw71** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:53 am

dmw71 wrote:The light is actually out.

In light of this, I'll actually still need an action from Ty for round 6.

(Pun intended.)

tooleychris · #192 Post by **tooleychris** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:19 pm

You guys are killing me

#193 Post by **Alethan** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:28 pm

dmw71 wrote:
dmw71 wrote:The light is actually out.
In light of this, I'll actually still need an action from Ty for round 6.

(Pun intended.)

I knew it was out. I was just... oh, never mind.

tooleychris · #194 Post by **tooleychris** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:52 pm

With these rolls im wondering how our hobo buddy passed out...it appears everyone else drunk his wine!

#195 Post by **dmw71** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:14 pm

They have been remarkably bad. Just be thankful they're coming against this opponent, and not one more deadly.

#196 Post by **Alethan** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:39 pm

dmw71 wrote:They have been remarkably bad. Just be thankful they're coming against this opponent, and not one more deadly.

Yeah, but so far we're 2 for 2 on crappy rolls vs. opponents. :-\

tooleychris · #197 Post by **tooleychris** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:25 pm

Alethan wrote:
dmw71 wrote:They have been remarkably bad. Just be thankful they're coming against this opponent, and not one more deadly.
Yeah, but so far we're 2 for 2 on crappy rolls vs. opponents. :-\

This is a good time for Alethan to cover the fact he can control the dice roller...

#198 Post by **Alethan** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:02 am

Heh. I hope in all of the games we've played together in, I've made it abundantly clear I have no control over that damned thing.

Das · #199 Post by **Das** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:18 am

Its only cause we are trying to grapple, if we tried to kill him would be nicer.

tooleychris · #200 Post by **tooleychris** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:25 pm

Ok. Plutivarch is either scared of dying (and i have NO IDEA why

) or.....really not involved with the kidnapping? Or knows reinforcement is on its way and willing to stall ?
But he's talking. He may be out of offensive spells?
How do we convince him to sing?
Tell him one of the girls kidnapped is the kings niece and the great crime families don't want a war on crime the king will start to find her?
Tell him one of the girls kidnapped is a niece to a crime boss and he'll pay handsomely to get her back?
If they're kidnapping for slavery, those slaves are probably for sale?

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